WHY THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION; Nine Powerful Reasons


WHY THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION; Nine Powerful Reasons

by Joseph Chambers
(posted with author's permission)

THIS COULD CONVINCE THE GREATEST DOUBTERS! THE CLIMATE OF OUR WORLD, SPIRITUALLY, POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY ARE ALL SET IN DIRECT ORDER FOR THE GREAT TRIBULATION TO BEGIN! But that Seven year period cannot start until the Son Of God removes HIS Bride. Here are nine powerful and clear Biblical principles for a “CATCHING AWAY” to occur and then, and only then, to open the door for Satan to be cast down to the earth. Satan will be free when Christ’s Bride is removed to reveal his Antichrist. The words “CATCHING AWAY” are perfect words to translate the English word Rapture from the Greek word “HARPOSA”. The word “HARPOSA” has all of the meanings which embodies the “RAPTURE OF THE SAINTS” out of the impending darkness. It is an endearment term with all the love of Christ for His Bride.

1. It Fits Biblical Precedence Of God’s Judgment For The Wicked! David was bold in his proclamation, “I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.” (Psalm 37:25) To suggest that God the Father will deny 6000 years of history and judge the church in the same horrible hour as the wicked doesn’t fit His character. The nature of the tribulation period, the final judgment of man’s wickedness, makes that suggestion even less likely. When the antediluvian world reached its zenith of debauchery and the Father was ready to pour out His wrath, Noah found grace, unmerited favor, in His eyes. Noah’s family was saved while the rest of mankind was completely obliterated. The law of first mention makes this event a powerful factor. Sodom and Gomorrah had descended into the mire of sexual perversion. There is a good possibility that a disease like AIDS was proliferating and God acted to stop the plague. The very geography of the landscape had to be cleansed by fire and destruction.

2. The Church Is To Be Judged Before The Wicked World Is Judged! Rather than positioning the church in the tribulation judgment, the Biblical warning is that judgment begins at the house of God. Privilege is always a factor in determining God’s judgment. He said . . . For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.” (St. Luke 12:48b) Apostle Peter, clearly distinguishing himself as a New Testament leader, warned, “For the time has come that judgment must begin at the house of God: (Remember, it was the Jewish nation that was first to be judged in the First Testament) and if it first begin at us (the Second Testament believers) what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” (I Peter 4:17) Our judgment is of a different nature from the First Testament but clearly precedes that of both the Judgement of the Jewish and the Gentile world.

3. The Bride Of Christ Is To Be Presented Unto Himself In An Exclusive Ceremony Separate From All Other End-Time Events! Redemption is much, much more than fire insurance. The root and foundation of God’s love for the world and sending His only begotten Son is a desire to have a family. The family unit is the closest thing on earth to the heart of God, His very nature. The invitation to salvation is an invitation to a marriage feast and establishes a family relationship. Worship in its truest sense is a celebration of that family relationship with our spiritual priest; we celebrate His love until we can celebrate His presence. This marriage salvation is a betrothing experience that lives everyday in expectation of the wedding celebration. We are like a young virgin looking at His picture, as we anxiously anticipate His coming for the wedding. Jesus gave a parable that shows this awaiting virgin (St. Matthew 25:11-13). (MY DESCRIPTION! Ten virgins took their lamps and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Five had come under the intoxicating influence of worldliness and had let their lamps go out. Five had brightly glowing lights in their lamps. Those five went to the marriage and the door was shut. Remember, God also shut the door of the ark in Noah’s day.

4. His Absolute Promise To Keep His Faithful Bride From The Hour Of Tribulation! The Holy Scripture deals effectively with His assurance that this awful hour is not designed for His chosen. The prophet Isaiah described the final episodes with minute detail: “Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” (Isaiah 26:19-21) In the first verse of this quote he identified the Resurrection. Next, he calls for the chosen bride to enter with Him into her chambers (an appropriate nuptial place as she prepares for her presentation to the Groom) to be securely hidden away for a short moment until the wrath or rage of God is finished. The third verse of this text pictures the going forth of God’s righteous judgment to finish sin, disclose hidden life styles, and to give an equal response from God’s holiness to man’s evil actions.

5. The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Is The Only Reasonable Explanation Of A Time When Some Are Taken And Some are Left! No sensible explanation can be given of St. Matthew 24 that excludes the warning of a sudden rapture that catches men unprepared. Jesus warned of the suddenness of that day, that only the Father knows the time and that the day was as Noah’s day, where men were eating, drinking, and giving in marriage. Then He said, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (St. Matthew 24:40-41) He concluded the warning by saying: “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.” (St. Matthew 24:42) To try to rearrange the Lord’s teachings and explain away this great truth borders on arrogance. When we suggest that the one being taken away is the wicked and the believer is left, then where is the wicked taken, and for what is the believer left? Any such explanation will be hard put to fit into the pattern of events. The word for “COMING” as used in this context is the Greek “PAROUSIA” not “APOLALUPSIS”. When “PAROUSIA” is used it means a coming to a specific place at a specific time for a specific meeting. It is personal. When “apokalupsis” is used as in verses 30 and 31 of this same chapter, it means the unveiling of His awesome holiness and glory. It is general rather than personal and relates to His return to fight the battle of Armageddon and to establish His kingdom.

6. Then He Warns Of A Specific Day Coming Unawares Of Which Only Those Watching Shall Escape! These verses are so crucial for establishing this great “Hope of the Church” that we must analyze them closely. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth? Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luke 21:34-36) Christians are so casual today about what constitutes readiness for the Rapture that they make me tremble. Ask a given Sunday-morning crowd: “How many are ready to go?” And you will find it hard to see the un-lifted hands. Many have not been to church in weeks, maybe never tithe, do not read the Bible more than sporadically; and yet, they feel secure and ready. The only explanation is that we are living in the great apostasy. Please note Jesus’ warning: ” . . . take heed to yourselves.” He warned of an overcharged heart, surfeiting (reveling and rioting), drunkenness (giving opportunity to drunkenness), and the cares of this life. He said the day would come as a snare (trap) and catch men unaware. Satan is right now springing his carefully devised trap to keep the bride from her readiness for her Groom. Satan is furious with the thought of you and me in the nuptial chamber with our redeeming Prince.

7. The Law Of The Farmer Demands That The Harvest Be Gathered Before The Winter Begins! No vineyard dresser or tiller of the ground would think of laboring through the spring and summer only to leave the ripened harvest in the field as the winter arrives. A wise proverb of Solomon says, “He that gathereth in summer is a wise son: but he that sleepeth in harvest is a son that causeth shame.” (Proverb 10:5) It contradicts everything my Father has provided and promised to suggest that He won’t gather His harvest of the world until the winter of divine retribution is in full swing. Isaiah is prolific in describing this harvest out of an impending winter of evil. He prophesied, “The righteous perisheth (escapes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (removed), none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.” (Isaiah 57:1) The words taken away literally mean to “collect as in harvest”.The next verse is a perfect picture of this harvest, safely cradled in her haven of rest, as evil spreads itself in defiance of the gathering storm. “He (bride) shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.” (Isaiah 57:2) That storm of evil is clearly described in the next three verses. “But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore. Against whom do ye sport yourselves? Against whom do ye make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? Are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood, enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clefts of the rocks?” (Isaiah 57:3-5)

8. The Holy Scripture Affirms Emphatically That The Antichrist Cannot Be Revealed Until A Restraining Force Is Removed! The church at Thessalonica received this word from Apostle Paul: “And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.” (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8) The word “withholdeth” in verse six and “letteth” in verse seven are identical and means to restrain or hold back. A picture emerges of this great and overwhelming force of evil that is ever ready to spread across God’s creation but is restrained because of an even greater power. It is like a reservoir of water held in check by a dam. If the dam is suddenly removed, the waters will flood the valley with great destruction. Don’t ever forget that there is an invisible church within the bosom of the visible church that will not bow to the Antichrist. This sanctified company has no other love but the one King. Any one else cannot purchase her, because she has no price. She has found the pearl of great price and forfeited all other wealth. As long as His chosen are here, the Antichrist cannot be revealed. Even the New Agers are saying that their “Age of Aquarius” cannot be realized as long as the defective seed (Christians) are filling the world with negative thought patterns (the gospel of Jesus Christ). They have suggested in their literature that we must be removed to a non-physical plane (their words) before the New Age can arrive. That is one message they got right.

9. Finally: The Lord’s Absolute Promise To Catch Away His Chosen To Meet Him In The Air! Apostle Paul said, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) What a climactic finish to an exciting search of Holy Scripture. The Lord isn’t sending Gabriel or Michael. He is coming Himself. You hear people say the word “rapture” is not in our Bible. To begin with, the Bible wasn’t written in English, so the only word from the English language in the Greek Bible is the word Hallelujah. As with many other words, the exact equivalent of Rapture is in the above two verses. The two words “caught up” are derived from a Greek word harpazo, which means “snatched up”. My Webster dictionary gives the meaning for rapture as “transported or to snatch away”. The original Greek goes much further than the simple but powerful meaning “to snatch up”. It means “to steal openly with no thought of hiding”. includes a removal by force in expectation of a hindering power. perfect words to describe the rapture of the church.

Satan is marshalling his forces in heaven (he is the prince of the power of the air) and on earth in his effort to stop the greatest exodus in human history. The exodus from Egypt was a Biblical foreshadow, but it pales in comparison, even as the animal sacrifice fails to rightly compare to Calvary. Jesus actually descends into the atmospheric heaven below the reigning powers of Lucifer. He then leads His resurrected and glorified army back through the evil dominion to the throne of God Himself. The triumph of that event leaves Satan weakened and Michael, with his armies, casting him out and down to earth. He will never leave the earth again until he is judged and cast into the bottomless pit. (Revelation 12)

Conclusion!Those who know and serve Jesus Christ as SAVIOR and LORD will be out of here before all TERROR is UNLEASED on this earth. I contend that the Rapture must transpire before the tribulation can begin. The gathering storm has shaken the faith of many. The fire of expectancy, of watching and waiting, of looking for His appearing, has gone out of many lives. Some are looking to build a kingdom here, while others are looking for great tribulations and planning how not to take the mark. I believe that the bride should look for His appearing, occupy His spiritual and invisible kingdom, and expect to be gone when the great “deceiver” is having one final fling. “Look up and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.” (Jesus: St. Luke 21:28b)

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just wanted to share this with everyone...with prophecy unfolding right before our eyes, i believe that something is going to happen whether or not it's the ra[ture only time will tell..... even so come Lord Jesus! let us continue to work while it is day!!
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This is a very well written essay, however I believe it is misleading. We should understand from Scripture that the beginning of the seven year Tribulation period doesn't OFFICIALLY begin until the signing of a peace covenant that equals up to 7 years between Israel and the Arab nations (Dan. 9:27)

As much as I would like to be taken out before the Tribulation period, (and this theory is certainly a possibility, I'm not ruling it out) there are a couple of factors we need to take in consideration.

Pastor Chambers describes in reason #4 [His Absolute Promise To Keep His Faithful Bride From The Hour Of Tribulation!]

We can gather from God's word what that HOUR of Tribulation is specifically by going to REV. 14:7 and REV. 17:12. It is referring to God's judgments happening at a specific point when the Kings who for ONE HOUR will receive authority with the Beast of Revelation (Antichrist). The Antichist does not officially begin his reign until approximately 1260 days [mid-way point of Tribulation] and it is at this time when the judgments begin (the FIRST SEAL that only Jesus is worthy enough of opening and starting [REV. 6:1-2])

This can all be summed up in REV. 3:10 when Jesus promises His TRUE CHURCH (the Bride) that He will keep them from THE HOUR of trial that is going to come upon the whole world. [The last 3.5 years] This also explains reason #5.

In Pastor Chambers reason #9 his explanation is accurate in terms of the Lord's promise to meet His Bride in the air. However, in his conclusion he states that we, His Bride will be taken out of here before ALL TERROR is unleashed. Although I believe we will be "out of here" before the beginning of the first seal (the HOUR of trial) it does not mean we won't go through some difficult times prior to that coming. But we should always be prepared and on the lookout for our King, and know that He will bring us through whatever trials there are ahead of that HOUR which is coming. We just need to recognize the difference between suffering the Church goes through and His wrath. They two completely separate things.
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. -1st Thess. 5:9

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mid-trib

Oh dear. You may be right (HOPE NOT!!!!!) You all may know that those feast-time eclipses are coming in 2012 and 2015. I wonder if the Trib will start this year, what with the signs in the sky (woman clothed in the sun...) happening very soon this month. Maybe the peace treaty will happen in 2012. 12/21/12, to be exact. Then, 3 1/2 years from then will be 2015. I just don't want to wait that long!!!!!

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Escape...

As much as I would like to escape as quickly as possible, His word does mention that we are to put others before ourselves. (Philippians 2:3-4 (KJV)
Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.)

It seems to be the perfect time to help those who are lost, and let them see what's going on is indeed prophetic. The disasters will escalate during the first half of the Great Tribulation and people will be shocked as to what is happening, both with nature and politics. I believe many more will come to terms with what is going on and turn to Christ before He comes back for His church.

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It's Judgement Time

There's a time to repent and there's a time for judgement - this is the time of judgment and if those who accepted Christ as their Saviour were to suffer judgement, then what kind of Saviour would He be if after taking the Holy Spirit away and leaving us alone after promising to never leave us!? Just my thought.

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put others before?

the passage is about growing in faith and becoming more Christ like on our journey.it HAS nothing to do with the trib.study the word after you ask the Holy spirit to give you the wisdom (eyes to see) to understand it !!!!

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i'm still holding on to

i'm still holding on to believing that the wrath of God begins at the 6th seal...

Revelation 6:15-17 describes mankind’s reaction to these events… “And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” Looking at these verses, what has begun? Answer – the WRATH of the Lamb, the great Day of His WRATH is come!! The Bible says we shall not suffer WRATH! Now unless you do not believe in the trinity, I should not have to prove that Jesus (the Lamb) is God. Nor should I have to prove to you that Jesus, God the Son and God the Father are one. (1 John 5:7-8 : For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. KJV

one thing i also would like to point out is why is the part about "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:" missing from the NASB version of the bible? According to the KJV, the Spirit , the water and the Blood bear witness on EARTH and the FATHER, the WORD and the HOLY GHOST bear witness in HEAVEN. Check for yourself!!.

it clearly says in these verses that the wrath has come.... as far as the kings of the earth wanting to hide... the Lord brought back to my remembrance how isaiah the prophet, being a righteous man in the eyes of God, felt whe he was in God's presence.. isaiah 6:5 kjv :"Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

Just think if Isaiah being righteous felt undone...can you imagine how the wicked will feel at the sight of Jesus coming for us in the clouds???!!!!! athiests will finally realize they were wrong!!! Lukewarm Christians will feel undone!!! people who have mocked and scoffed our God will realize they were wrong!! people who ever heard the gospel message but rejected it will be filled with terror!!! once they see Jesus, the whole world will realize that everything that they ever heard or was told about Jesus, judgement and hell will become a reality!!!! " If Jesus is real then ... Hell must be real!!! Oh no!!!! what have I done???!!! I have rejected the Only One Who could save me!!!! Just like when you were a child and you know you did something wrong and were going to get in trouble for it... imagine that feelling intensified to the one millionth degree!!!

all that to say this , then in chapter 7 we see the multitude no man can number!!

Back to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says, “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,” We have already read that the Wrath of God has begun and according to 1 Thessalonians 5:9, we are not appointed to wrath but SALVATION. The great multitude cried out, “Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.” Who is the Church’s Saviour? Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ is also called the Lamb of God!( john 1:29,36) If you still are not sure who the great multitude is keep reading. Now John beholds a great multitude that no man could number made up of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues! Who does that sound like to you? Doesn’t the body of Christ consist of people from all cultures and backgrounds? Doesn’t Jesus have followers all around the world? Some might say that these are the same martyrs from the 5th seal, however; John never calls these people martyrs! The martyrs were given white robes and told to rest. This great multitude when John saw them already had their white robes on!!! The martyrs were under the altar of God. The great multitude, that suddenly appeared, were standing before the throne and before the Lamb! The great multitude IS NOT the martyrs of the 5th seal. John is asked a question by one of the Elders, “And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?” In today’s vernacular, “Who are these people and where did they come from?” John told the Elder, “Sir thou knowest.” Revelation 7: 14-17 records the Elders answer, “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”

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Spiritual - Spirit level witness Blood of Christ completed Heb 11:6 - Olive tree- Aviv
Soulish - intellectual level witness conceptual / water baptism - Fig bush
Flesh - legal level witness Heb 9:22 blood covering - Grape vine

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nasb?

the passage in john you quote is the same,in both bibles.except the english,of the nasb over the kjv is easier to understand.and if you believe the kjv is the only bible thats true to Gods word,even written by God himself ,as i have heard some very misguided christians state .very false.the kjv is actually a revision of the bishops bible,which came the english revised version.before that the the geneva etc.each time God allowed a better english understanding of his word,and his ability to preserve its truths.translating hebrew and greek into modern english has not been easy.granted,the dark days we are living in now has brought about a host of demonically tainted bibles.thats why Jesus and paul etc tells us to test each spirit to see if its from GODS or the devil.i will not read any of the more recent versions,the message bible,the living,the new king james and others.too much changed.you know,if you add or take away ,wellcome to Hell.

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Wrong again!

when Jesus comes back to earth out of the clouds WE are with him.unless you want to be here and go thru the wrath..i suggest you don't hold on too tightly. reread the new testament.after chapter 3 of revelations the church is not mentioned except in the context of heaven and our bodily return with our LORD at the end to stop armageddon.if we are here to suffer wrath, then when do we recieve our rewards and give an account of our deeds weather good or bad.its at the heavenly feast in heaven while GOD pours out wrath on a Christ rejecting world.read GODS WORD with Holy Spirit wisdom.he says all we have to do is ask for it !!!!

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rapture? come on!

if you or i die this very nite and we have Jesus,our rapture just took place.if you die tonite and don't have that personal relationship with Christ then eternal damnation.i am amazed at how many people responding to this site alone,have no clue as to the truths the bible holds.there is so much misinformation,i find it mindboggling.NO i don't have all the answers,but i do study fervently and ask God to reveal his truth and only HIS truth to me.the bible says if you dont read the word to show you are approved of GOD ,rightly dividing the truth ,your very prayers are detestable and will not be answered.we need to stop the nonsense and do what we are commanded/demanded to do and that is, go and make diciples of all nations.quit getting hung up on a time Jesus himself didn't know, the day or hour.HE gives us things to look for,but adds the time is not yet.Israel has to take back their original borders.war no.1 psalm 83,ezekiel 29 etc.war no.2 gog and magog.ezekiel 38/39.the two witness's,the 144000 special jews sent out by God during the trib,which doesn't even start until the signing of the false 7 year treaty and finally war no. 3 armageddon.war no 1 could happen before the end of 2011.israel discovers vast amounts of oil,then russia and the remaining muslims that were not wiped out in war no 1 come and to take a sp--oil and destroy israel, they are wiped out.now this is when i believe the antichrist will rise to power,out of the ashes of this russian defeat a terrified world excepts satans man of the hour and makes him very popular, very quickly and then his lies of how he can put an end to all wars begins.a Christ rejecting/hating world will jump all over him.then war no. 3 and CHRIST and WE return with him to set up a 1000 year reign of peace.get this point if you get NO other.there is alot of stuff and time that has to be fulfilled before HE returns in person.the rapture tho could happen tonite or not !! nothing else has to happen for that event.its already been done.keep looking up for you redemption draws close!

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Aimee

Aimee, go to Rapture Forums, once you get there, scroll down to near the bottom of the site, you'll see in the centerof this there will be a number of articles to click on,,obe titled Rapture of the Church has a good PreTrib message, hopefully it will lift your spirits

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Yes the bad stuff doesn't get really bad until the half way point, but the Antichrist signs a 7-year peace treaty with Israel and he cannot be revealed until the Holy Spirit be removed and if He goes, we go, hence before the treaty is signed.

Daniel 9:27 KJV And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 KJV For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Since the Antichrist won't be revealed until after the Holy Spirit leaves, it is my belief that a couple of years would need to allow for this to happen. What I mean is that the rapture could happen even a few years before the treaty is signed.

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HolySpirits removal? NOT

it does not say the Spirit is gone,vanished.it states he is pulled back.once the bride of Christ is raptured HE the Spirit is pulled to the side ,so satan can run amok.there will be millions who are saved during the trib,and that can't happen without the Holy Spirit to draw them

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Here is something for your biblical consideration & research...is it possible to marry your own body?... is the bride then Israel / believers group made up of post grace age people... ?
Is the gospel of the kingdom different than the gospel of grace?
Is "barley" different than wheat?..when (different times) are they harvested?...etc...

the land...
the township...
the household...

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aimee and shama

Aimee you can go to raptureready.com they have excellent articles as well. Shama I used to think the same as you, its all about identitiy and relationship with jesus, our identity is what we are and our relationship is who we are. Hope this helps.

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pre wrath

You do know that all of the "proofs" can also prove the pre wrath position. there is nothing in this article that states that the church will be out of here before the tribulation. I believe we will out of here before the wrath of GOD (7 bowls) but not before. The seals and trumpets are not refered to as GOD's wrath.

Also just to throw a monkey wrench into both your and my view: the first reseruction is when the dead in CHRIST rise first (1Th 4:16 ) then in Revelation 20:5 the first reseruction happens. That seems discidedly post trib to me. Now I realize that this is handling the Word of GOD sloppy (sloppily?) but these 9 "powerful proofs" are equally as sloppy. If we read the Bible without any preconceived ideas then one would be hard pressed to find the pretrip rapture in there. I grew up beileving the pretrip position, until one day i actually went through the Bible and read it for myself.

Maybe you should hope for pretrib rapture but prepare for posttrib. that way you will be prepared for either one and if you happen to be right then someone else can praise GOD for your timely preperation.

Hang on the ride is going to get rough.

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wrong

the antichrist cannot be revealed until the church is gone.read it again, its there in 2 thess.5 and following.too many people try and understand the Holy Writ with human and not Holy Spirit wisdom.WE are promised to NOT go thru the wrath.that is for a gospel rejecting world.

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pretrib rapture.

you fail to read all of 2 thessalonians verses 5 and following paul clearly was teaching the church that the trib.was'nt here yet because they were still here. false teachers had crept in doing what vile false teachers do best,preaching a different gospel.the passages clearly state the antichrist cannot even be revealed until the one who restrains is pulled back and he was reminding them of that.when Jesus calls us up to meet him in the clouds the restrainer,(HOLY SPIRIT)is pulled back allowing satan to run amok.he is still here at that time because many come to know Christ during the trib.that cant happen unless you are drawn by the SPIRIT.revelations does not even speak of the church after chapter 3,until we the bride of Christ come back with him from the clouds to the earth.we are promised we will not endure the wrath God pours out on an unbelieveing world,while were up in heaven at the marirage supper of the lamb.don't let any one mislead you either, because of ignorance of Gods word or outright deceit.many peopel today stand behind pulpits,write books,have a website and try and explain Gods word,when in fact so many dont even know what thy are talking about.read and study Gods word and ask the HOLY SPIRIT to give you wisdom to understand.as we go deeper into darkness in these last days we need to do the three rules the word tells us.keep you heart right,your doctrine right and love GOD and your neighbor as yourself and you will make it to heaven. if right doctrine was not very important then why would paul tell timothy to hold onto it tighty.because God started a new covenant and we are to follow it to the letter.there are some good teachers out in christian land but the best teacher is the SPIRIT.read the WORD and pray.be one who walks on the very narrow road to heaven.God is serious and HELL lasts forever

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more pretrib

if you are here when it happens then go ahead right into the wrath of God on earth. gods word is very plain unless you are blind. the rapture happens even( before )the signing of the false peace treaty that starts the final 7 year clock.and if you dont believe the rest of revelation starting with chapter 4 is wrath being poured out you have no understanding of Gods word.i am a layman in my church,not a preacher,speaker or book writer but GOD has blessed me with the gift of both understanding prophecy and also to explain it.why?because i asked him and he honored my prayer.you study the WORD and quit listening to so many humans who look at things thru human eyes and understanding(the latter i use very loosely)instead of thru the SPIRITS to give us understanding. you can't even begin to understand books like revelation unless you have a very close relationship with GOD thru CHRIST. my prayer is we all go back to 1st century christianity.were so backslidden today it makes me want to puke.get right or get left..jesus himself says many will stand before him on the day of accountability and tell him they did all these wonderful things on his behalf and he will respond with depart from me into the lake of fire i did NOT know you.not my words but HIS!!!!

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i thought i was done

as a diciple/follower of Jesus i make it a point to show people the true way to life thru him. you know go and make diciples of all nations.i admit some time i get mad over all the nonsense and garbage out there being promoted as GODS work.i get tired of all the rhetoric about pre trib,mid trib and post trib..its pretrib fellow believers.misguided or ignorant or down right liars state all kinds of things to back up they'er cliams of when the rapture takes place ,even to setting dates.God has called me to be a watchman on the wall.to go and tell christians, i once thought were just asleep,but now believe most churches are actually in a coma.i am not well recieved,when people prostitute the precious blood of CHRIST with there apostasy and refuse to read and learn from the very instruction book the bible GOD gave us and come up with all kinds of heresy it makes me mad, it boggles my mine.now back to pre trib.the word says we will rise up and meet our Savior in the air from a voice that sounds like a trump,not a trumpet as is stated in the last of revelation.read johns words in chapter 4 of revelations.he states i looked up and saw a door opened in heaven and and a voice that sounded like a trump calings me to come up.Jesus CHRISTS voice is described as sounding like a trump or a high pitced yell.not a musical instument like a trumpet 2 thess. 6,7, and 8 makes it clear the antichrist cannot,i repeat he cannot even be revealed until the church ,Christs bride is GONE!!!!oh and some more to chew on.the psalm 83,ezekiel 29 and isaiah 19 explains the next war with Israel.they win and in doing so take back all of the original borders God showed abraham.damascas is nuked(gone in one hour)they also will nuke the tower of syrene (the aswan high dam that holds back the nile.cutting off any north african muslim nation from coming across the southern flank from egypt to help lebenon jordan etc.amaster stroke on GODS part i might ad.no foot of beast or man will inhabit egypt for 40 years.Irael will dicover huge oil reserves right under their feet and will become an economic giant in the world.that is when they are living in the center of their land in unwalled villages.now this in when God puts hooks into the russians jaw and they along with the rest of the muslim countries and iran and turkey will attack.they come for a sp(oil)and then decide to wipe out Israel.GOD will rise up in utter wrath and destroy all of the armies.they will bury the dead for 7 months to a year and burn the implements of war for 7 years.now really pay attention people,this is important.out of the ashes of the GOG/MAGOG slaughter,the antichrist ,who by now will probably be known politically will step up and tell a terrified world he can put a stop to all this war nonsense.the people will run to it and except it.because satan is in the mix.sometime later he offers a peace treaty FALSE of course with the jews for 7 years.they jump all over it.halfway thru it he breaks it,GODS wrath is getting worse on earth and the kings of the east-china,japan.viet nam, indonesia etc rise up against him,the beast ,who has now changed headquarters from rome to jerusalem will then have his european forces come to the valley of meggido to fight the eastern invasion(ARMAGEDDON) Christ and we his bride come back from the clouds and HE speaks the armies into hell.largest earthquake in history happens,islands disappear WHY? HE needs the room for the pop.explosion that takes place during his thousand year reign and rule.there it is folks right out of Gods own words the bible.there is so much more ,but remember this.if you die tonite your rapture just took place.repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand.forget religion.and look into the one and only true church,the one JESUS started,named and cares for.salvation is a relationship,not a stinking man made satanic inspired religion.look up ,follow closely his doctrine and keep from sin and you will live in heaven forever.all the rest will be thrown into the lake of fire.please pay attention.prophecy is being fulfilled faster today than at any other time in history.one last comment i promise.between the psalm 83 war which could happen before years end and the Ezekiel 38 gog war i believe the rapture will take place'this part is just my opinion.GOD says no one knows the day or hour.it could be years before the antichrist is revealed and it could happen tonite and for the prople to try and convince us the burial of the dead and other things will happen way into the 1000 year rule are just being silly.god is going to make the earth look like a fairly new earth to live in and will instantly alter all the damage done by the armageddon mess.america infact south america north america australia all the godless northern hemisphere will be destroyed by fire.when russia invades.anyway this ( ain't) just my opinion folks its right there in the word read it.then jesus creates a new heaven and a new earth for the first has been destroyed and the new Jerusalem comes from heaven to the earth and we will forever be with the Lord

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kjv...nasb.....

kjv 1 john 5:7-8 states :

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

nasb 1 john 5:7-8 states :

7 For there are three that testify:
8 [fn]the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are [fn]in agreement.

in the kjv the trinity is clearly seen...the nasb...well read for yourself....

bishops bible.. i doubt it very seriously....

Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant?"

Do you see a difference between these two Bible versions?

King James Version

Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

New King James Version

Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.

In the KJV, we find that Jesus is God's Son. In the NKJV, we find that He is God's servant. These are clearly not the same! The Greek word found in the text here is "pais". It can be used in Greek for either "son" or "servant." So which one is correct here?

The solution is simple: look at the context in which it is used. In English, we have many words that can have more than one meaning. If a translator, going from English to another language, came across the word "bear," he would have a choice of meanings. But it wouldn't take rocket science to figure out which one to use.

If the passage described a man with a heavy burden, the translator would understand that the man is going to "bear," or "carry" the burden. If, on the other hand, the passage described a hairy beast climbing a tree, the translator would understand the correct meaning here applies to a forest-dwelling animal that will eat nearly anything it finds. It's not really very hard.

Now look at the Bible passage above. What is being discussed?

"children of the prophets"
"covenant which God made with our fathers"
"in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."

It's clear, isn't it? The passage is talking about "children," and "fathers" and "seed." The word "pais" means "son." But the New King James translators chose "servant." Why? They were not alone. The New World Translation, created by the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the deity of Jesus, translated this word "servant" also. So do the NIV, ASV, NASB and other modern Bible translations.

Could it be that these modern translators disagree that "pais" can be translated "son?" No, the NKJV committee translates this very word as "boy," "child" or "son" in Matthew 2:16; 17:18; 21:15; Luke 2:43; 9:42; and John 4:51. Yet they refused to translate the word as "son" in this powerful sermon where Peter presents Jesus as Messiah and Son of God.

http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/

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You know...

I used to enjoy coming here for encouragement and good company. Now all that goes on here is arguments and conflict. Here you sit arguing that either one of your points are "FACT" and undeniable when neither one of you "know" or even can ever hope to "know". Even Joseph Chambers doesn't "know". Christ didn't "know". Why are you all treating your own theories and beliefs as being incontrovertible "proof"?? It's shameful how you all are treating one another. Call it what it is, an opinion.

Arguing over Bible Translations?? Really?? So God can only aide in the compilation of one version of the Bible. Anything beyond that is beyond the will or capability of an entity that designed all of creation? So what if I read a NASB and you read a KJV. For the records, I have read both. If God speaks to me through mine and to you through yours whats the big deal? Does salvation come from Him or from the slips of paper that wear out over time? You want to impress me? Show me the original Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic and personally translate the ORIGINAL text for me to show me the meaning. Everything else is a TRANSLATION. Even the "original" texts that exist are likely hand copied copies of copies created over the millenia. I believe that the Word is God Breathed and that is a miracle that the document has survived so long even under such circumstances as countless entities have tried to destroy it. I know there are corrupt editions out there, and I don't argue the point, but there is a difference from having a different wording in a certain text and completely corrupting the meaning of the entire Gospel. Have you read the NASB yourself? I have. I have gone through the New Testament several times in the past couple years. I am telling you, the NASB portrays Messiah as the Son of God. Regardless as to which use of the word was chosen for this particular verse the entire body of the texts portray the same message as the KJV. Again, I have read both. It's not like it changes "Virgin" to a young woman or denies any of the core principals of OUR faith.

NONE of you will know when the rapture comes until you are already on your way. What is the point of tearing one another apart over something that you won't see coming? Would Christ want his Church arguing and bickering and making one another feel like crap? And I don't even care about "who started it". If ya'll are in Christ it shouldn't matter. Get over yourselves and your opinions. None of you have any "proof" of anything at all. You have "assumptions" and "theories". Get over it and treat each other with love and respect like you are supposed to and are commanded to by the Lord your God. If you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself. There is a difference between a good-hearted rebuke and trying to tear down a fellow brother or sister because they don't think the same way you do. Neither one of you can prove that you are right. You could both be totally wrong.

Read your Bible. Seek insight. For your own sake watch the eastern skies. I believe our redemption draws neigh. But whether it's tonight or I die an old man He has promised to come for me. It doesn't matter. You can't make it happen. It's going to happen just as He ordained. Yes, we have signs to watch for to try to tell the seasons but we can not have the ability to mark the day or even the month or year for that matter. None of this argument matters in the end and all it's going to do is cause anger and conflict and drive people away and even worse give a bad testimony to any unbelievers that come through here and see that we can't even get along with one another. Why would they want a part in that? [13] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. - [Gal 5:13 KJV]. I am telling you, whether it was your intent or not, you are all coming off as being angry and unagreeable and unpleasant. So much so that I don't much care to go reading through the comments.

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im tired...

i'm tired of everytime i tried to post an article for us to review and study, that i get negative comments and the article is always shot down... when i share articles it is not because i believe that author is 100% correct, it's because i want us to dissect the article and see if there is truth!!! kinda like having a bible study amongst ourselves...i posted a couple of articles where the author believs the time of the rapture is close... that was to encourage us that Jesus is soon to return!!! why am i being shot down over it???!!!
i make an observation that part of a scripture verse is missing from a translation.... why is it a problem because i pointed that out????

in light of all this negativity a people feeling like there is division, i resign from rap-con...the last thing i want is to make others feel uncomfortable...
God Bless all of you here....

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I am just saying...

I understand that it might not have been your intent to come across the way that I perceive it. I have noticed a change in the character of some of the topics around here. Primarily stuff where there is assumed to be 1 correct answer and that someone has to be right. The whole "Homosexual" issue that went by a few months ago that just would not die. I, personally, believe in pre-trib. But then you have post-trib, pre-wrath, etc. Everyone believes what they believe, and it's good to know why you believe what you believe, and I am sure you didn't mean to come across as cross as it sounded in my head and the other gentleman going back and forth at one another came across discordant for me. When you are typing, you can not communicate inflections into what you are saying and the recipient has to infer some of what is typed. If you have previously had similar issues, I know not. I haven't visited the site regularly in some months due to my perceiving a changing character. If all you want is a friendly discussion, lets EVERYONE keep that in mind before you hit the "save" button. This is internet etiquette 101.

in the kjv the trinity is clearly seen...the nasb...well read for yourself....

bishops bible.. i doubt it very seriously....

Comes across a bit snotty. That is why I take some offense to your referring to the NASB.

If you feel led that this is your ministry here.. by all means.. let no man stand in your way. But I offer this as a brotherly word of advice.. Take consideration of the words you type as the person may not hear them as you are intending. I would ask that everyone respect that nobody here has any definite answer and any one of us could be wrong and respect that. One day He will do what He will do and we will all look back with new understanding.

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Pookaloo!!!

Please don't go away. Stay with us and be a part of this ministry. We are all learning together and in time all things will be known to us when the LORD comes and takes us HOME! Gods plan is just like a giant jigsaw puzzle and the pieces are coming together BEAUTIFULLY! It's like the edge pieces are all in place, all of the buildings and landscape pieces are put together. The hardest parts are the sky and the sea where the colors are all very similar and takes more time to fit the pieces in exactly where they go. The puzzle is almost complete now. Stay my dear sister and help us finish this puzzle. GOD has the final pieces and is getting ready to hand them to us. To me it's like a husband who wants to tease you after you had been working on the puzzle for days and when you weren't looking he took a few pieces and put them in his pocket only to return them when the rest of the puzzle was finished. Of course GOD is NOT teasing us but HE has given us clues and so we toil, search and ponder what the next move is, where the next puzzle piece goes. We are living in exciting times and it's about checkmate, END GAME, last puzzle piece. Keep looking up and keep fighting the good fight. In GODS PERFECT timing HE will give us more puzzle pieces. Perhaps another will fit in today, tomorrow but be assured they are coming and fast! God Bless. Don't lose heart! We love you POOK!!! : )

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snotty?

if you are referring to the (which bible is the best version i agree with you).i study from both and this i can say with complete confidence,read the Word( after) asking GOD to give you the wisdom to understand it.he promises if you are sincere,he will pour out wisdom liberally to all who ask.now,i also come across snotty to some people and you may be referring to me also.but i am tired of constantly rebuking falsehood with Gods word from a website thats supposed to be mainly Christan.i am a watchman on the wall and an evangelist.the Holy spirit has given me many gifts WHY? because my fervent passion is to know him and HIS truth and he blesses that.there are so many lying,defective,Godless heresy's out there now, its mindboggling.do i have all the answers NOOOO! but his word does.look at scripture thru the Holy Spirits understanding (eyes to see) and not your human only ,its impossible anyway.but i will in love,defend the faith with my dying breath and if it comes across snotty,well thats not my intent.one more thing.iam new to this site and have seen an alarming amount of people who do not read/or understand Gods word.thats our fault.we have despicable hirelings behind most mainstream evangelecal church pulpits and not enough true pastors.its our fault/my fault the christian world is in the mess we find ourselves.we are too stinking religous and not true disciples of the Lord.we are losing our way.oh remember Jesus to the religous leaders of his day,when he referred to them as hypocrites,could that be construed as being snotty.there is only one way to heaven and thats thru the CROSS.quit argueing about the rapture.WE dont know when. PERIOD!!

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iam tired

i posted a reply to you and gave my opinion on it,but want to add why quit,if what you are doing is in line with Gods word,and something bothers you,then by all means share it.iam so hard lined about living a truely Godly life iam hated for it.as for not wanting to make people uncomfortable,let them try Hell on for a comparison.i wonder which is worse umm!

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All I am encouraging is a

All I am encouraging is a little common courtesy. If I believe it is Pre-Trib and it turns out to be pre-wrath I am ok with that and I trust it to be the will of God. I would hope the reverse would also be true for those who believe otherwise. Generally those around us have all pretty much decided what we believe. Keep that in mind. Don't get so involved that you forget that almost everything we are going to discuss here is supposition. Treat each other with love and keep in mind that while the group of us may have an entirely different take if we could share a verbal conversation you do not get the same message from printed text.

Lately I have had it my pressed in my disappointment that all of the various denominations, Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, etc. Are so caught up on how they are different that they can not take all of their gifts and abilities and use them in concert based on what is the same. Christ. I think the same would benefit here. We believe in Messiah. Lets focus on that instead of translation, whether or not we submerge, or whether or not tongues are used.. Lets focus on Him and what we know to be true and let all the assumptions fall into the background and the rest will fall into place. Discuss the news, but keep brotherly love in front.

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1 Cor 13: 8-13...Love never fails (never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end). As for prophesy (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), it will be fullfilled and pass away; as for tounges, they will be destroyed / cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away (it will lose its value and be superceded by Truth). For our knowledge is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect), and our prophesy (our teaching) is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect). BUT when the Complete and Perfect (total Col2:9) comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and superceded).......

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harbinger you know

not everybody on this site argues just to be arguing.thats very misleading.i have already stated in my numorous replys that ,A there are some misinterpretations of GODS word.my statements are backed by GODS ,now if i personally am not sure what the Spirit is trying to show me then i will always state,this part is just my opinion.but if i can prove it using the exact words in scripture then you can take that to yhe heavenly bank period.how are people going to learn if their is no one to teach them.phillip transported to the eunuchs wagon,as hes reading a portion of Isaiah.phillip asks him,do you know what that means? his responce is how can i if no one shows me.the result he gets saved and baptised and phillip gets another trip.we are to lovingly exhort,defend share and REBUKE.so we can as a body learn together.thank you lyndy beautifully put.

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