More signs Israel preparing to launch attack


A U.S. intelligence source has told G2Bulletin there are more indicators Israel is preparing to launch an attack – possibly against Iran. And if it does, it may be looking at how to undertake a multi-front strategy that would include an assault against Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in the Gaza Strip or even Syria, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Separate sources suggest that Syria would welcome such an attack to divert attention from its own internal violent demonstrations against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The latest indications and warnings, or I&W, come two weeks following G2Bulletin's initial report that the Pentagon was watching for a long-anticipated Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear sites.

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"U.S. was watching "an indicator and warning matrix" in which the U.S. can "go so far as to plot the illumination tables to pick out what nights would be best" for such an attack." Interesting because Psalm 83 tells us that Damascus will be destroyed over night and gone before the morning.

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Psalm 83 battle

wouldn't the Psalm 83 battle be after the rapture? this makes this situation with Syria very well worth watching

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What if your "eschatology" is

What if your "eschatology" is wrong?!?!?
If we see these thing's and are not gone to be with the Lord, will you still believe?
Just sayin'....... ; )

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Come on now friend, too many

Come on now friend, too many exclamation points among fellow believers. I get this kind of response from unbelievers on YouTube quite frequently. Not our job to be challenging eschatological viewpoints - unproductive.

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I whole hardheartedly disagree....
We as the body of Christ must take care of one another, If we do not, then we cannot function as intended.
1 Corinthians 12:21
The world waits in the wings to devour those of us who lift up the Lord Jesus Christ, we must always be ready.
1 Peter 3:15
Doesn't iron sharpen iron?
Proverbs 27:17
My friend, it is our job to challenge one another on our viewpoints - as a matter of fact we are commanded to do so.
2 Timothy 1:13-14

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Sometimes how we say something is just as -or even more important than why or what we say. Thats a lesson that I need to be more aware of myself. Paul is great for studying tact and approach (he can be delicate but also dish it out depending on what communication style is necessary for the particular situation).

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With all do respect, it is

With all do respect, it is amazing how anyone can know with what "tone" or "Inflection" a posting has, (unless it is obvious) but we as sinful humans seem to assume the worst. I have written nothing that would suggest , in my opinion "a tone". (as a matter of fact, i even used a "smiley wink") on said post.
My post is exactly what it is. A simple question.
I happen to be a very "black and white" type personality. Not much guessing is needed with me in general.
Now that "black-n-white" trait IS
the thing that gets me in trouble with folks on occasion, simply because some are not used to that type of honesty....
Now, you will notice in a response by Isaiah2620 that my question is "unproductive".
I think that spending time justifying myself because i asked someone a question; (instead of spending time on the substance of that question) is, as my freind Isaiah2620 said, "unproductive".

Lord bless you matthewjames.

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I was trying not to offend you. Just trying to help.

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Brother Matthew....

I'm not offended at all my friend, if there is a hill on which I'm willing to die, it will be Christ, and Him crucified for our sins.
I fear that all of the years of "political correctness" has given us all a thin skin.
A man can have fervent zeal, and passion for the Lord and His word, and still be loving, kind and generous...
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Good point, Grafted

Actually, I think Grafted brings up a good point. If we, in our studying, have come to believe that the Rapture would occur in 2011, and then it doesn't...is that going to shake our faith? Or are we going to go back to Scripture and re-test what we formerly thought. Because we do not know the thoughts of God (I Cor 2:11), and will not know the day or the hour of the Rapture (unless you think that verse refers to the Second Coming)...honestly, no one yet has come up with the right day of the Rapture. I haven't found anyone who will definitively say..."It will be this day" (besides Camping, and he was wrong) ...so we can hope, and keep picking seasons, but we collectively as Christians, do not know for sure when that will happen. Because of that, we might be inclined to look at signs around us and say..."it will happen this Fall, or next Spring"....it if doesn't...will that shake your faith? Or is your foundation firmly set in the Lord, that no matter the timing, you accept it as His timing, His will....and be okay with it.

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Psalm 83

I have an interesting article that describes the Psalm 83 players,and compares it with the Gog-Magog invasion. It seemed insightful to me. http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=6712

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absolutely graftedgentile

absolutely i would still believe since I have Jesus in my heart, i was posing what i said as a question by the way, not a statement

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Sorry I was gone for a few

Sorry I was gone for a few days but some like Hal Lindsey and Joel Rosenberg have suggested that Psalm 83 and even Ezekiel 38 may happen before the rapture (Joel Rosenberg has suggested Ezekiel 38 may happen before) Hal Lindsey did a video brodcast on his website about the Psalm 83 war leading to the peace treaty and gives very good reasons why in his broadcast from 9/9/11. If you want to check it out.

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U.S military build-up.

The government probably knows all of this, just not the minute details. An Israeli pre-emptive strike COULD, but doesn't HAVE to be green-lighted by the United States military. Obama probably knows the tension around Israel and is safe-gaurding our "allies" in the region. Hence, the military build-up.

By the way? What ever happened to those Navy ships headed to the Mediterranean? I bet they're still waiting...

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I find it ironic that Obama

I find it ironic that Obama gave Israel the bunker buster bombs to Netanyahu. He has been asking for them for month's, well "Bibi" got them and oh look, just in time to make Obama look good for the Jewish voters here in America...I would suggest that if Israel does strike, there will be sleeper cells activated in retaliation...and more than likely here in the states as well, HEADS UP!

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Mid East Happenings

The whole Mid East situation in regards to Israel is heatin' up, lately, and I'm hoping it hastens the Rapture,,very well worth watching the events unfolding

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I understand what you are asking here. Would someone lose faith because of what they believe has or hasn't come to pass. This is something important to ask ourselves. We must always remain faithful no matter what happens. We do not know the timing of the Psalm 83 war. We do know that the rapture will happen before the tribulation. It is our blessed hope. I have been disappointed thinking this or that was going to happen. I have not lost my faith as I know God has perfect timing for everything. As for what is happening in Israel, it is something to watch closely. God is putting everything in place and when the timing is right, prophecy will be fulfilled.

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Amen!

Amen!

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vondean....

That is what i am inferring, yes and so much more. We are all "pilgrims on the way", growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. God forbid that we should ever think that we have it all figured out.
I find that if we are not diligent, checking and rechecking to see what we believe, and why we believe it, then we stop growing in the truth and are soon lead astray. Hebrews 11:6
"We do know that the rapture will happen before the tribulation."
Do we know this? This is the point i would like to present, I'm finding none of the early church fathers having this viewpoint. What I am finding is that the silence is deafening on this matter of a "pre-tribulational" rapture among early Christendom.
This is the type of issue that drive's me to His word,to seek the truth of God, and not fall on (as i have been guilty of in the past) the traditions handed down to me from men. We are called to search these things out , and to study with all diligence to show ourselves approved, and unashamed. 2 Timothy 2:15
As for faith, all gift's are given by God, including the faith we posses, and i have to quote Dr. Sproul here on faith, that
" if you have it you'll never lose it, and if you lose it, you never had it."
The bottom line is this, if these wars are prophetic, and we are gathered together to Christ, well then you can tell me "I told you so" on the way up... ; )
On the other hand, if we enter into great suffering and tribulation for His name sake, well then count it all joy that He would find us worthy to endure shame and suffering for His name. James 1:2-3
"Let the Lamb who was slain receive His reward"

Suffering as a Christian
1 Peter 4:12-19

12Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. 14If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. 15But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. 16Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. 17For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18And

“If the righteous is scarcely saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”

19Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.

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rapture

I have done extensive study on this. For me I am promised a blessed hope and being saved from the wrath to come. If someone doesn't believe the way I do that is fine. The most important thing is that a person is saved. I know all about traditions handed down by men. I am very careful about what I believe.

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Vondean

I would LOVE to meet you! I can tell we are gonna be friends when we get there.I love your dog, too! SOOO cute! Anyways, Graftedgentile, I have this creepy feeling that you may be right when you mentioned that maybe we aren't gonna go early. I sure hope it is not true!!! Where did you get your info regarding the early church fathers and their post-trib beliefs? I am concerned that we pre-tribers possibly aren't walking in truth, but, rather, rose-colored glasses wishful thinking. Can't stay "there" too long, though. Must protect my sanity! Comments? Anybody?

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Pre-trib Rapture

When I became a Christian in the 80's (actually Easter Sunday 1980), most of us believed in a Post-tribulation Rapture....then we moved to a Mid-tribulation rapture. Since then, I have grown in Christ. In my study of God's timeline...I saw that the Lord dealt with Israel, allowed them to stumble (but not to fall...Rom 11:11) to allow salvation for the Gentiles. Now jump up to verse 25 (Rom11:25), where it says "For I do not want you brethren to be uninformed of this mystery–so that you will not be wise in your own estimation–that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in" and then v.26 "and so all Israel will be saved..."
Israel is stuck at the 69th week of Daniel. The 70th week is the Tribulation (the time of Jacob's distress) at which time the Lord will deal with Israel again, and they will once again turn to the Lord. Inbetween that time, is the age of grace, the Church Age, the age of the Gentiles, so I believe that we will be removed before the Tribulation, because of what purpose will it serve us? The tribulation is God's wake-up call to Israel and all of mankind...the Church has already heard and responded to that call. I believe we will be at the Judgement Seat of Christ and at the marriage feast of the Lamb in heaven during the Tribulation.

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I would love to meet you too. My little dog was neglected and abused when I got her. She is now healthy and happy and gives us so much joy. It is not that we have rose colored glasses it is what we are promised. Do not doubt your pre-trib beliefs. I know there is different opinions, but look at it this way. When Jesus said it would be like in the days of Noe, did he make Noe go thru the flood? No, he gave him a way to escape. Did God bring Lot and his family out of Sodom before it was destroyed? Yes, he did. He will do the same for us. What would God's purpose be in letting his church suffer to the extreme people are going to in the tribulation? It is God's gift and promise that we are going to be removed beforehand, it is the fate of the nonbelievers to go thru the tribulation. And as I said before, the restrainer must be removed for the Antichrist to be revealed. So if the holy spirit resides in us and we are still here does that make sense? Pray that God will lead you to the truth, he will reveal it to you.

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Vondean

I appreciate your response and your helping me to sort everything out. I am getting more and more excited about going Home. There are so many people I can't wait to meet! Think of the friendships we will have! We have the bond of Christ, and we have never even laid eyes on each other!

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Aimee...........

First let me say that I am wrestling with this study about "end times events , mostly in that I have had to separate "mans opinion of the bible" from actual truth. That's not to say that I don't believe a particular scholar does not expound Gods truth, but God expects us to "accurately handle the word" of His truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
There is only one right answer, there is only one truth.
So, we as believers have a God given accountability at stake. Second, like I mentioned in the post above , I have been driven by a hunger for the "UN-opinionated" truth (i.e.human tradition's). There is no doubt that God wants His children to know the truth, and I know we as sinful humans can be brought kicking and screaming when we do not want to let go of what we have clung to for so long. I'm in no way being condescending when i say that I liken it to when a child need's to be weened from the "Blanket".
It is something in our nature , that we cling on to something and won't let go without a fight, even after being presented with what we know is a sound and reasonable alternative. In fact it's sometimes in spite of those presented argument's that we as humans RUN to our "fortress" of safety and defend it to the end, and sometimes at all cost's. We all know about Mr. Harold Camping, and we know he was probably sincere in his belief's. But we can be sincere and be wrong. That's why it's so important to have a final authority, and that is the word of God.

Trust me when i say that my spiritual life has been a winding and ever narrowing walk. Many time's I have had to reevaluate what I believed to be biblical truth. There have been people throughout history who have died for the sake of the truth, and there have been people who have given their lives for a lie. We know this to be true.
And we know that there have been those unfortunate souls who have taken their own lives after finding out that what they believed was a lie.

As to your question on Church Father's; In all the writings of the Scriptures, the Early Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils, there is no mention of two 2nd comings of Christ. In fact, the 2nd Ecumenical Council definitively states and places in the Nicene Creed these words: "He shall come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His Kingdom shall have no end." This council of the Church, held in A.D. 381 in Constantinople, pronounced for all time what we as Christians believe about the 2nd coming of Christ. The Fathers of the Church wanted it to be crystal clear that when our Lord returns (a time which only God the Father knows- Mark 13:32). He will establish His rule on earth forever, not merely 1000 years. The council did not condemn the Rapture heresy because the teaching did not yet exist. Moreover, there is no mention of the teaching in either the early Medieval period or the Scholastic era.
So i find it hard to see where this teaching of two separate comings of the Lord is supported beyond the last couple of centuries.

We might think that the Rapture is the product of the Reformation, since almost all of its adherents are Protestants, but not so. We may search in vain to find the Rapture doctrine among the writings of Martin Luther, John Calvin, or John Knox. John and Charles Wesley know nothing of the theory. Even the Puritans (some of the most radical of the radical Protestants) never heard of or wrote about the Rapture.
Now you would think, in light of these Christians being persecuted, that they would have more of a reason than us to expect the rapture of His body.
As a matter of fact, not only do the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and Anglicans deny such a teaching but all "mainstream" Protestants do as well. The Rapture is not to be found in the doctrinal statements of Presbyterians, Lutherans, or Methodists (at least not in the main bodies of each of these groups), and there are no theological debate's on the subject in the early centuries of the church (that i'm aware of).
If any of their individual members embrace the rapture theory, it is because they have been influenced by rapturist TV preachers, or have read one of the hundreds of books written on the subject in the last 35 years. It is not in the teachings of their respective churches.
That does not mean that I don't believe in a "harpazo"; {"to seize, carry off by force
to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly, to snatch out or away"}

But, that does bring me to consider the timing of "our gathering together to Him", and coupled together with the scripture references in my post above on "suffering for Him", I think it is enough to give some prayerful and diligent consideration's. I am open to the truth only by the grace that God has given to me.....
I am fallible, but also teachable. May God have mercy on me if anything I have said cause's one of my brothers or sisters in Christ to stumble, but that they may "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen."
2 Peter 3:18 James5:19-20
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Okay, you think we will go through the tribulation? We are coming with Jesus to Armeggdon, we will have resurrected bodies. How does that happen if we are not raptured before the tribulation? I am not clinging to a man made belief and refuse to believe differently. I have studied this subject myself for 15 years. You have your belief and I have mine. I believe in a God who has given us promise after promise that we will be saved from Jacob's trouble. I can't change your belief and you can't change mine, let's leave it at that.

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Have you read Matthew 24 v46-51? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you. That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming: v49 And shall begin to smite his felllow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken: v 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not ware of, v51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. This parable gives a warning to anyone saying that the Lord will delay his coming and that there is no hope. If we feel we have no hope than how can we trust in the Lord? It is important that we know we will be raptured before the tribulation so that we can have hope and continue to trust and do the work we are assigned to do.

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Our salvation is not determined by whether or not we say "the Lord will delay his coming and that there is no hope", but our salvation is authored by God Himself, Hebrews 12:1,2
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Our hope is in Him, and it is sustained by Him, by grace through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, "it is the gift of God."
Ephesians 2:8
As for hope; this is the hope in us ;11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.
Titus 2:11-14
There's a difference between "affliction's" and "the wrath of God ", there is a difference between "tribulation's" and "the wrath of God". Jesus tells us in Luke 12:4-7
4“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. 5But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him! 6Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? And not one of them is forgotten before God. 7Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.
If you haven't read the book of martyrs or seen the history channel's "The most evil men in history" (which can be seen on you-tube for free by the way), you should. It will give you an idea of the tribulation's that true believers have faced through the centuries...and I would have to ask...what about them? How did they understand these passages? I think they were filled with the hope of Christ like Stephen when he was stoned to death.
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I have found this article and I think it is something that needs to be read!
Everyone sees these events unfold before them in the headlines and we all wait anxiously for the return of Jesus and even question if He is still coming! The Bible says to be anxious for nothing, pray in everything!
I think that if you read this article, we can see that we are not the only ones involved in the rapture and we are not the only ones that God is thinking of or watching over! It is a good article, it left me feeling selfish! We all want to leave earth and go to heaven, but we are not the only ones God is taking care of!

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/why-is-there-a-rapture-of-the-church/

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Thank you so much for this article. It gets right to the point and is very clear what the bible has to say. You are truly blessed for your belief. Did you know that there is a crown for those who are diligent and are watching for his coming? I pray everyone will read this article and get the truth. Thank you again for sharing this.

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Thanks, busylizzy and graftedgentile

That was a great article-especially the point that was made about the dispensations and how the church will be moved out of the way so that God will deal with the Jews. It all makes sense. So, I think I'm good now. I am glad for the struggle of yesterday-we all need to question why we believe the way we do. And, once we know, our belief is stronger. So, thanks graftedgentile for being transparent about your wrestlings with what will happen and what is true. "Iron sharpens iron". God bless you, my brother.

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