Daniel's 70 weeks pt 3
Here is the next section of Brother Martel's study.I received permission from Brother Martel to share his study here on Rap-con. The full study can be found here: http://www.christconnection.net/id3.html.
If you have any questions for Brother Martel you may reach him at : christco@christconnection.net
In order to understand the next section of this study, you will have to understand that Daniel 9:27 is not talking about the antichrist!!!! it is actually talking about Jesus Christ Himself!!!! the convenant that Jesus confirms is the Abrahamic covenant!!!! Please read with an open mind and if you have any questions, contact Brother Martel.
MYTH #7: ANTICHRIST'S 7-YEAR REIGN
Bible prophecy teaches, quite clearly, that Antichrist will appear on earth just prior to the last 3-1/2 years of tribulation, and that he will be permitted to rule the earth for only 3½ years, or 42 months. Nowhere does it state he will rule for 7 years. That's utterly false [Revelation 12:6, 14; 13:5].
MYTH #8: THE 7-YEAR PEACE TREATY
Antichrist will NOT sign a peace treaty with anybody, much less for 7 years, since he'll only appear on earth for the last 3½ years of the tribulation.
This "treaty" is pure religious fabrication resulting from erroneous exegesis of Daniel 9:27 which reads: "he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" (Which, in prophetic lingo, refers not to a literal week (7 days), but a sabbatical week (7 years).
To "confirm", according to the dictionary, means to "ratify, reinforce or make formally valid something that already exists".
You can't "confirm" something that doesn't [already] exist.
The Antichrist is NOWHERE mentioned in this verse.
The word "peace" is found NOWHERE in this verse.
The word "treaty" is not found either.
NOWHERE does it state that the covenant is made, then broken. The words "make" and "break" are not found there, either.
Therefore, this verse doesn't refer to a future covenant, but to the already existing covenant between God and Abraham's seed.
The "He" mentioned here isn't the Antichrist, but the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Jesus, not the Antichrist, is the subject and focus of this prophecy [Daniel 9:25].
The Antichrist, I repeat, is not even mentioned.
But HOW can this refer to Jesus Christ? Doesn't Daniel 9:27 say that the same person who CONFIRMS the covenant COMMITS THE "abomination of desolation? NO, IT DOES NOT.
For FULL EXPLANATION of THAT FALSE TEACHING, read the VERY NEXT Myth #9.
"The covenant" refers to the [already existing] eternal covenant God made with Abraham and his Seed.
This chapter begins with a reference to that covenant [see Daniel 9:4].
The exact same word in Hebrew beryith is used in both verses [4 and 26]. In verse 4, Daniel is NOT talking about a "7-year peace treaty", but about the [Abrahamic] covenant.
Messiah doesn't make this covenant. He confirms the already existing one. He ratifies it. How?
By dying on Mount Moriah where Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac 2,000 years earlier.
Abraham prophesied that God would provide Himself a lamb for the sacrifice and even called the place Yahwe Jireh [God will provide] [Genesis 22:8,14].
Jesus was the Lamb God provided, to confirm His covenant with Abraham and his Seed, just like Abraham predicted, just like Daniel predicted [Genesis 22:8-14, John 1:29].
Since Messiah is Abraham's Seed, only the Messiah is qualified to confirm such covenant.
This is Paul's clear teaching in the New Testament:
"Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made... to your seed, which is Christ.
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before God in Christ, the law, which was 430 years after, cannot disannul"... [Galatians 3:16,17]
The Antichrist never was, nor will be, Abraham's Seed. Therefore, there's no way he can confirm the [Abrahamic] covenant.
It's the Messiah who caused the [animal] sacrifice and oblation [grain offering] to cease.
God no longer accepts such sacrifices and offerings, since the ultimate sacrifice for sin, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah, already offered Himself as the final, eternal, all-sufficient sacrifice to confirm the eternal covenant God made with Abraham [Hebrews 9:12, 10:14].
It's ONLY the Messiah's precious Blood that can confirm His Covenant. It's ONLY His Blood that forever washes away our sins. Praise His Holy Name!
Leave it to the stale, sterile prophecy establishment to take a portion of scripture that's supposed to glorify God and exalt his faithfulness, and ascribe the prophecy to the Antichrist.
[Actually, that shouldn't surprise us, since it isn't His glory they seek, but their own].
One has to totally take this verse out of context, twist it, add a number of things it doesn't say, plus a good dose of religious speculation, to come up with the ludicrous "7-year peace treaty".
There's NOTHING IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE about a "7-year peace treaty".
Therefore, DON'T LOOK FOR a "7-year peace treaty" because there won't be one.
MYTH #9: ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
Daniel 9:27 DOES NOT, repeat, DOES NOT refer to the "abomination of desolation". Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 DO.
BEFORE you fire off an e-mail asking "what about verse 27", ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO READ THE NIV, please take a DEEP breath, and let that sink in for a moment.
I've nothing against the NIV, but it does not offer the most accurate translation of this particular verse.
Hence, Daniel 9:27 is NOT what Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:15-21 when He said that when they saw the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in the temple (holy place), they should flee into the mountains.
He was referring, rather, to the other two passages: Daniel 11:31 and 12:11.
The Hebrew word used in Daniel 9:27 is shikkutzim which UNEQUIVOCALLY REFERS TO "ABOMINATIONS" [more than one, PLURAL].
In the other two passages it's shikkutz, which means JUST ONE "ABOMINATION" [SINGULAR].
Daniel 9:27 has already been fulfilled. Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 are still in our future.
The "prince that shall come" mentioned in Daniel 9:26 is NOT the Antichrist. Rather, it was Titus the Roman prince, who CAME in 70 A.D., some 600 after this prophecy was given, and destroyed the city [Jerusalem] and the second temple, PRECISELY as this prophecy foretold.
That is UNDISPUTED, HISTORIC FACT.
The "abominations" [plural] in Daniel 9:27, that caused the SECOND temple to be destroyed, and its site to remain desolate to this very day, are the same abominations that caused Jesus to throw out the moneychangers from it, and overturn their tables [John 2:14-16], the same ones that caused Him to refer to it as "a den of thieves" [Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46].
Daniel 9:27, as explained in Myth #7 above, refers to Jesus who confirmed the Abrahamic Covenant, in the middle of the 69th week, and caused a Sabbath [shabath] of sacrifices. He made sacrifices stop, or "rest", because God no longer accepts those.
Fact is that Jews HAVEN'T offered sacrifices for the past
2,000 years. Who lived, died and resurrected 2,000 years ago, but the Christ?
How, then, can this cessation of sacrifices refer to the Antichrist, when he has YET TO APPEAR as such?
In Daniel 9:26 "the prince that shall come" destroys Jerusalem and the temple.
If this were the Antichrist, and if this were referring to him placing the [one] abomination of desolation Jesus spoke of, HOW COULD HE PLACE IT IN A TEMPLE HE JUST DESTROYED?
It doesn't add up.
To sum up, verses 26 and 27 CANNOT POSSIBLY refer to the Antichrist because:
1. The Hebrew text doesn't support it, since it DOESN'T talk about one specific abomination but MANY.
2. This prince [Titus] ALREADY [IN THE PAST] destroyed the city and the SECOND temple, fulfilling this prophecy.
The FUTURE Antichrist WILL NOT destroy Jerusalem, or the THIRD temple.
3. The future Antichrist will conquer Jerusalem [Zechariah 14:1,2] and SIT IN the third temple, passing himself off as God [2 Thessalonians 2:4].
He will place A SINGLE ABOMINATION [IDOL] of himself in the THIRD [yet to be built] temple.
4. If Daniel 9:26,27 referred to the Antichrist, Scripture would CONTRADICT ITSELF [perish the thought] because they say he'll destroy the city and the temple, whereas Zechariah 14:1 says he'll conquer the city and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 say he'll SIT IN the temple. He won't destroy either one.
5. As already stated in the previous Myth, the Antichrist is not mentioned IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, in the aforementioned verses.
6. As already stated in the previous Myth, Galatians 3:17 UNEQUIVOCALLY STATES it was Jesus, NOT THE ANTICHRIST, who ALREADY CONFIRMED THE COVENANT.
I didn't write the Bible. If you want to argue about it, take it up WITH GOD, not with me. Thank you.
MYTH #10: THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME
Self-declared prophecy pundits will tell you, time and again, that this "prince that shall come" mentioned in Daniel 9:26 is the Antichrist.
There are at least 5 MAJOR problems with their FALSE theory:
1. The Antichrist is NOWHERE mentioned in this verse.
2. The Antichrist, according to the Bible, will NOT destroy Jerusalem and the temple. Rather, he will CONQUER AND OCCUPY Jerusalem [Zechariah 14:2] and SIT IN the temple, passing himself off as God [2 Thessalonians 2:4]. Hence, there's NO WAY this "prince" can be the Antichrist.
3. This prophecy was ALREADY FULFILLED, in precise detail, 2,000 years ago.
4. There's no "mystery" whatsoever as to the identity of this prince.
5. The prince in question is the Roman prince Titus, son of Caesar Vespasian, who destroyed Jerusalem and its temple in 70 A.D., EXACTLY as Gabriel predicted.
In Daniel 9:25-27, Gabriel predicted that Jerusalem and the temple would be rebuilt [they were], then ONCE AGAIN destroyed. They were.
He predicted that, from the edict to rebuild Jerusalem to the Messiah, there would be 69 sabbatical "weeks" [483 years].
After the 483 years, in the middle of the FINAL week [3½ years later] Messiah would be killed.
Then [after Messiah's death] this prince would come and destroy the city and the temple.
Everything happened, in exact sequence:
Jesus began His public ministry in the fall of 29 A.D. He died for our sins and rose from the dead 3½ years later, in the spring of 33 A.D.
Some 37 years later, the Roman 10th Legion, under Titus's command, totally destroyed the temple and leveled the city to the ground.
This "prince" IS NOT in our future. He already came and fulfilled this portion of the prophecy IN OUR PAST.
That's not speculation. That's FACT.
STATEMENT AND DISCLAIMER
SOME BLINDED, BRAINWASHED, NARROW-MINDED, INSECURE PEOPLE WHO VISIT THIS WEBSITE ACCUSE ME OF CLAIMING TO BE "THE ONLY ONE" WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH CONCERNING BIBLE PROPHECY.
NOWHERE DO I STATE, OR EVEN IMPLY THAT. JUST THE OPPOSITE: IN MY "Welcome" PAGE, for the past 5 years, I've had AN OPEN INVITATION for ANYONE, SCHOLAR OR LAYMAN, TO PROVE ME WRONG BASED ON THE BIBLE: www.christconnection.net/id8.html
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER WEBSITE, OR MINISTRY, WHO HAS THE GUTS TO DO THAT.
I CLEARLY STATE "I AM OPEN TO CORRECTION, BUT ONLY ON THAT BASIS". MEANING, ON THE BASIS OF GOD'S WORD. NOTHING ELSE*.
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Other teachings on this website have withstood every challenge for over 5 years.The reader is welcome to take them or leave them. However, we will NOT get bogged down, this close to the Rapture, with silly disputes about who’s the rider on the white horse, or whether the Islamic Mahdi or President Obama will be the Antichrist.
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THE WHOLE POINT [FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO, EVIDENTLY, CAN'T READ] IS THAT THE PROPHECY ESTABLISHMENT [THOSE WHO POSE AS "EXPERTS"] HAS SOLD US A BUNCH OF FALSE, UNSCRIPTURAL THEORIES ABOUT THE END-TIMES.
[MY "ANGER" IS DIRECTED AT THEM, NOT AT YOU].
THE WHOLE POINT IS TO CHALLENGE YOU [THE READER] TO NOT JUST BLINDLY ACCEPT WHAT THESE GUYS ARE TEACHING, OR EVEN WHAT I TEACH... [EVEN IF IT DOES SOUND PRETTY GOOD...], BUT TO COMPARE IT WITH WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY SAYS.
TAKE TIME TO DEEPLY, AND OBJECTIVELY, STUDY THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF.
BE LIKE THE BEREANS IN ACTS 17:11 WHO "RECEIVED THE WORD WITH ALL READINESS OF MIND, AND SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO".
THANK YOU.
Next section of this study
PROPHETIC MATH
The 70 weeks of Daniel chapter 9 gives us the timeline for Jesus' First and Second Comings.
Verse 25 says "from the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem to Moschiach Nagid [Messiah Prince] there will be 7 weeks, and 62 weeks".
With the benefit of hindsight we know, beyond any doubt, they were sabbatical "weeks" [shmita] of 7 years each.
He said there would be two periods from the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem to Messiah Prince: one would be 49 years [7 weeks], the other would be 434 years [62 weeks], totaling 69 weeks or 483 years.
The first decree to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longanimus of Persia in the 20th year of his reign, which was March of 445 B.C. [Nehemiah 2:1].
From that time, there would be 69 (7+62) sabbatical weeks [shmitas, of 7 years each] until Messiah would appear.
69 sabbatical weeks = 483 years.
483 years multiplied by 360 days in Hebrew calendar = 173,880 days.
Divided by 365.2 days in the solar [Gregorian, "Christian"] calendar = 476.1 years.
Adding one year, since there is no year "zero", and adjusting the extra days for leap years, this would take us to the autumn of A.D. 29 when Jesus the Messiah began His public ministry [Luke 3:1,21].
Verse 26 specifies that it's AFTER the final 62-week period of this prophecy that Messiah would be killed.
Therefore, the 62-week portion of the 69 weeks has been completely fulfilled, since Jesus already died, rose, and won't be dying any more [Romans 6:9].
That still leaves the first 7 weeks of the timeline.
If there was a word to return and rebuild plus 7 weeks, then Jesus died 62 weeks [434 years] AFTER THAT, there's likewise A SECOND COMING OF MESSIAH THAT MUST HAPPEN AFTER the 7-week period.
Messiah Prince would confirm the covenant by dying for our sins AFTER the final 62-week period of the 69 weeks, "in the middle of" the (70th) week.
That happened, right on cue, 3½ years later, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 70TH WEEK, on Passover, Aviv 14, 33 A.D., when Jesus was crucified, then resurrected.
So, this part of the timeline, which pointed to Jesus First Coming, already took place exactly as predicted.
IN THE MIDDLE of the 70th week [Daniel 9:27], at 69½ weeks, Jesus died and rose, THEREBY CONFIRMING the eternal Abrahamic-Davidic covenant [Galatians 3:17].
That leaves HALF A WEEK [3½ years] in our "future", which will be the last 3½ years of tribulation, and the reign of Antichrist.
The last 3½ years of the tribulation will complete the 70th week, which MUST END WITH THE SECOND COMING.
what really got my attention with this study is the fact that it is common belief that daniel 9:27 is about the antichrist...but it's not!!! it's about Jesus confirming the abrahamic covenant!!! when trying to understand prophecy from that point of view... things that i didn't understand before made sense. again i'm just sharing this information... so that we here may discuss it and study God's word together. with all that is going on in the world today... we are definitely in the season
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Daniel 9:26
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 02:24Doesn't Daniel 9:26 say " The PEOPLE Of theThe prince that SHALL come will destroy the city, and the sanctuary"?
The Romans destroyed the city in 70 AD, ( people of the prince)so it seems " The Prince" will be of Roman decent! Correct, or am I reading the passage wrong! If it is right, then it changes everything in regards to who destroyed the city! If "the prince" is Jesus Christ, then " The people of the prince" would be Christians !
Temple Destruction
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:35The Temple was destroyed NOT by the Romans, but by the conscripts from the surrounding nations - ie Arabs. The Prince is the Antichrist who'll come from Assyria (which no longer exists) but as a Muslim. Furthermore, the "prince" in question is the antichrist because he's the one that has the treaty for one week.
abdicate
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:53just asking ... where in the bible does it say peace treaty? based on the definition of the word covenant, can we say it is the same as treaty? abdicate i'm not coming against you... i'm just trying to gain understanding... i believe that you, like graftedgentile have been blessed with knowledge to interpret God's word and i would appreciate any insight you may have...
Correct
Sat, 10/08/2011 - 00:10The actual word is indeed covenant, but the word also means confederacy or league. If there's a league, then there is an implied peace. What is a covenant? An agreement. An agreement will be signed between Israel and the Antichrist for seven years (one "week"). Since there has been, since day one, wars and the constant threat of war for Israel, to me, any agreement will be in the form of some type of peace treaty albeit a false peace treaty. One of the tenets of Islam is you can be at peace with your enemy until your enemy is weaker, then you strike. Remember that the actual tribulation won't start until half way through this agreement.
daniel 9:26..
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 03:17Self-declared prophecy pundits will tell you, time and again, that this "prince that shall come" mentioned in Daniel 9:26 is the Antichrist.
There are at least 5 MAJOR problems with their FALSE theory:
1. The Antichrist is NOWHERE mentioned in this verse.
2. The Antichrist, according to the Bible, will NOT destroy Jerusalem and the temple. Rather, he will CONQUER AND OCCUPY Jerusalem [Zechariah 14:2] and SIT IN the temple, passing himself off as God [2 Thessalonians 2:4]. Hence, there's NO WAY this "prince" can be the Antichrist.
3. This prophecy was ALREADY FULFILLED, in precise detail, 2,000 years ago.
4. There's no "mystery" whatsoever as to the identity of this prince.
5. The prince in question is the Roman prince Titus, son of Caesar Vespasian, who destroyed Jerusalem and its temple in 70 A.D. EXACTLY as Gabriel predicted.
In Daniel 9:25-27, Gabriel predicted that Jerusalem and the temple would be rebuilt [they were], then ONCE AGAIN destroyed. They were.
He predicted that, from the edict to rebuild Jerusalem to the Messiah, there would be 69 sabbatical "weeks" [483 years].
After the 483 years, in the middle of the FINAL week [3½ years later] Messiah would be killed.
Then [after Messiah's death] this prince would come and destroy the city and the temple.
Everything happened, in exact sequence:
Jesus began His public ministry in the fall of 29 A.D. He died for our sins and rose from the dead 3½ years later, in the spring of 33 A.D.
Some 37 years later, the Roman 10th Legion, under Titus's command, totally destroyed the temple and leveled the city to the ground.
This "prince" IS NOT in our future. He already came and fulfilled this portion of the prophecy IN OUR PAST.
That's not speculation. That's FACT
i was shocked..
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 03:24gladtobesaved, i was shocked too when i first read this study... it goes against everything i was taught ... but then i realized that what i was "taught", was stuff i just heard repeated over and over again until it beacame truth for me.. never really reading for myself to get understanding... i do believe brother martel makes valid points... he says that we should never take his word for it, we should be like bereans and check for ourselves...
why I like rap-con
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 10:13pook, this is exactly why I appreciate rap-con. I feel like too many people are set in their ways and closed to discussion. For example, when I ask my Pastor a question he gives me the canned/ predictable AG response -based on what he was taught. Its like they are deafened by their assumptions. Eschatology is one area that is certainly up for discussion.
Maybe some people are scared or threatened to discuss certain things. rap-con is less stuffy -a place where clarity can be sought after and where legitimate questions will be heard. I believe that we need to be open to new prophetic ideas -especially as things unfold and coalesce in these end times.
Daniel
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 10:38Always be careful of ANYONE with " New Doctrine" because Scripture usually proves them to be false!
Beware of ANYONE who starts off by bad mouthing other ministries, for one thing the LORD HATES is those who sow discord among the brethren and the sisteren! Proverbs 6:19
Gladtobesaved
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:17the word clearly says that we are to tests the spirits and see if they are of God :
1 john 4:1 kjv - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
we are in the era of the laodician church!!! not everything that is considered doctrine today is sound doctrine... how would we know, unless we study to show ourselves approved (2 tim 2:15 kjv )
we cannot take what our pastor says from the pulpit as truth!! we have to search the scriptures and see if what he says lines up with scripture. calling some one a false prophet is not bad mouthing them... it is exposing the deception..
2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2 Peter 2:18
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2 Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
the bible clearly says that in the end time KNOWLEDGE WILL INCREASE !!!
dan 12:4, meaning what was not understood then would be understood now. just because someone comes up with new interpretation of God's word ( mind you, as long as it is proven with scripture,) does not mean it is false!! i at one time thought the prosperity gospel was real and true..but after further study and not accepting what was told to me, God exposed the falseness of this doctrine....
jackasses and morons
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 10:49I went to this guys site and maybe is correct (I hope he is on the rapture happening very soon), however, I see him refering to people as jackasses and later morons; now I realize that even as Christians we may get frustrated and use those terms. In a website that is supposed to help people get saved , I don't think there is a place for that...I think it lessens his message and is a turn off to me,,,sort of like a loudmouth just spilling his guts,,,his message at least to me gets lost in his attitude
i agree bigt, the language he
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:40i agree bigt, the language he uses is blunt ... i wanted to share his study because i feel it points to the nearness of the rapture
he does however say this on his website as well:
Before you fire off some stupid email calling me “false prophet” or asking “WHAT IF the Rapture doesn’t happen in this time period"? DO US BOTH A FAVOR, and TAKE A DEEP BREATH.
A. I have NEVER called myself “prophet”. NEVER!!!
B. This ISN’T some whimsical prediction. It’s NOT my opinion, it’s NOT speculation. This teaching is SOLIDLY based on the INFALLIBLE, Holy Word of God.
You’re WASTING YOUR TIME asking me, hypothetically, to “consider” OTHER “possible” scenarios. There are NONE.
God CANNOT lie. And I WILL NOT consider anything THAT CONTRADICTS His Holy, inerrant Word.
C. If you THINK this teaching is SCRIPTURALLY INCORRECT, you’re more than welcome to debunk it with the Scriptures.
If you can provide SOLID BIBLE PROOF that it’s in error, I will IMMEDIATELY change it, repent, and ISSUE A PUBLIC APOLOGY.
ANYTHING short of SOLID BIBLE PROOF is an exercise in futility on your part.
D. I’m NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION; I’m ONLY interested in WHAT GOD SAID. Here’s your chance: PUT UP or SHUT UP
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Hey Pookaloo
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:51Hey Brother,,I appreciate you posting this message and your response back to me,,,however even in his disclaimer he is confrontational and appears to be a loudmouth...I'm around enough of those people everyday which I'm sure most on this site are...he appears to be ranting his message, instead of just sharing a heartfelt conviction (and I hope he is correct that the Rapture is extremely near,,,today would be fine with me)..I think his style will detract and his message can be lost...but again I do appreciate your posting...
No Way
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 13:11I am not even going to bother saying anything except this, this man is talking rubbish.
hey bigt! in further reading
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:35hey bigt! in further reading and looking at this objectionally and unbiased, this is confrontational.. i guess it is a fine line between standing up for God's word and being overbearing with your message... and i do see how due to his approach, people can be turned off or get the wrong idea about what you're trying to say...
and for the record, bigt, i'm your sister in Christ, LOL!!!
no offense taken, lol!!
ummm
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:32pookaloo...ah sorry for the gender mixup My Sister,,,actually will read the next installment if you post it by the way
thanks the bigt
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:39thanks for the support bigt! i know the name's weird! my mom gave it to me as a child.. she used to sing " where's my darling pookaloo?? my darling pookalooooo?""
Ah, the mystery of your name
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:35Ah, the mystery of your name is solved!! I've always wondered, Pookaloo :)
And, for the record, I agree with MatthewJames's sentiments above. This is the place to talk/discuss/debate such things among brothers/sisters. I always appreciate your rap-con offerings, Pookaloo. Be encouraged!
The book of Daniel
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:51Excellent study of the book of Daniel by Sir Robert Anderson " The Coming Prince"
http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks2.htm
i'll check out the link
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:41i'll check out the link Gladtobesaved... maybe you can get permission from the author to post it here and we can all do a side by side comparison and study together!!!
Sir Robert Anderson R.I.P.
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:58I think he has passed on to his reward...1841-1918 , a prolific student of the Scriptures with many inspired insightful writings...I have his Types in Hebrews & the Silences of God both are deep reads...Was head of Scotland yard if memory serves me...and interestingly his writings often express having the same types of problems with religionists and unbelief as we have today!
cool
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:42cool
Thats a great study
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:55Chuck Missler references that in his commentaries
CONFUSION ?!
Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:59Dan 9:27 AND HE SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK: AND IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This could not be Jesus who confirms "the covenant" for seven years for the following reasons:
1. There is no other covenant Jesus established except that of Calvary.
2. He did not confirm a covenant 3-1/2 years before Calvary. Calvary would have been the middle of the week, not the time of confirmation 3-1/2 years earlier.
3. For Calvary to be the confirmation of the covenant, Calvary would have to have been the BEGINNING of the week.
4. Therefore, it could not be the middle of the week when sacrifices were cut off.
The New Covenant was confirmed by His resurrection and the OT sacrifices were put to rest within a 3 day period. In Daniel 9:26, there is a three and a half year gap between the confirming the covenant and the cutting off of the sacrifices. Since Jesus made no other covenant with anybody, the person who confirms the covenant for seven years in Daniel 9:26-27 must be the prince of the people who destroys the city.
http://www.velocity.net/~edju70/Covenant.htm
If the tribulation period is only for 3 1/2 years then where does the burning of the weapons from the war in Israel have 7 years to be burned up before the 2nd coming of Christ? (Ezekiel 38-39 war) . This war is still in prophecy being in the process of coming to pass. The other ? with this theory, if this is accurate and we are in the middle of the tribulation period, then should we expect to see the next seals opened for war, persecution, and a great earthquake?
I understood that these judgments were for the ones that rejected Christ and that we would not be here to witness these things because we were born again in Christ. It almost makes no sense to leave the people in the midst when he said he would take them out in the twinkling of an eye?!
Jesus is not a prince, He is the King of Kings!