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Thomas Horn and Chris Putnam

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Thomas Horn and Chris Putnam

I would like to know if Tom Horn and Chris Putnam are going to come out with a public statement admitting that they were wrong about the newly chosen Pope? I can tell you that the answer to that is an emphatic NO!!
As a matter of fact, they are already scrambling to make it appear like this IS a fulfillment of a "prophecy" from a known Catholic mystic. There is another reason that is weighing on these guys too...the fact that #1 they have made 10's of thousands of dollars from this false prophet Malachy in their book Petrus Romanus....and #2 they are just days from releasing their second follow up book, Exo Vaticana. The way I see it is Mr. Horn and Mr. Putnam have chosen money over the truth of Holy Scripture.

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Horn & Putnam

Not defending either of these guys or any extra-biblical prophesies but don't you think we should give pause before exacting judgement? The Malachi prophesy did not make sense with some previous popes sometimes until after their death, e.g John Paul 2.

Maybe there will be a tie in at a later date, we do not know. The very fact that this is the first Jesuit pope raises some red flags for me based on the sordid history of the Jesuits.

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I thought

he was fransican. I know I spelled that wrong. I didnt know he had ties to the Jesuits as well.
Im not catholic so I am not up on all their orders and such.

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I just think it's more

I just think it's more evidence that we are going go see Christ's return sooner than later. The fact that the body of Christ is wondering off after "signs" and false prophecies is in and of itself evidence .
What are we to be doing as we see the day approaching ?
Reading false prophesies ? Or, proclaiming Jesus Christ crucified, buried and raised again for our sins?
What is it that is making people "whore after other gods"? What is it that is making people leave their first love Jesus Christ? The Church has ceased to be salt and light...giving way to, and even tolerating heresy in the pulpit . Adam and Eve turned away from the Word of God and followed after Satans words instead...
We need to hide in the Word of God (who is Christ) our only refuge !!
Trust in the Lord with all your heart ,
Lean not on your own understanding , but in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight !!
The Judgement of GOD is at hand.
We need to flee from all this "extra Biblical deception" and minimize ourselves and lift up Jesus Christ!!
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Well

These guys wrote a book about the Malachi prophecy, it's not Biblical, it's a Roman Catholic thing, not inspired. They point this out. No matter what happens, it's the end of the prophecy. At this point the only way to see if this pope ushers in the AntiChrist is to see if there is another pope after him. They are authors, of course they make money selling books
I read that book and I'll read the next one too, to say they deny the truth of the holy scriptures tells me you didn't read it, but go ahead and pass judgement.

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Yes, And it's a righteous

Yes, And it's a righteous judgment. Anything that is of this world is NOT of Christ.
If you think it's ok to support Horn and Putnam while they distract people from the preaching of the Gospel then I would lovingly suggest you redirect your gaze upon Jesus Christ. This business about "everything but Christ" is not what a real "Christian" does. The name itself implies that you are a servant ...an ambassador of Christ!! Not a follower of the things of the world.
Any friend of the world and it's ways cannot be a follower of Christ !

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P.S.....

I didn't actually say they "deny Holy Scripture".
but if you wanna get technical....as a Christian, not to proclaim the truth of God's Word is in essence to deny it. And, as a matter of fact, anyone who twists God's Word is in fact blaspheming God's Word.

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Did you read it?

The interviews that these two have given make it very clear that they don't hold this to the Biblical par. Your self righteousness is stunning. We all know that there is a coming great deception on it's way, but Grafted believes that conversation is heretic or a waste of time. I'm leaving this forum because I need to find some other Christians that are imperfect and searching for truth like me.

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I don't need to waste money

1Timothy 4:1,2
I don't need to waste money buying a book that i know is based on a Catholic mystic !! That my friends is the point here..you've got a Roman Catholicism
AND mysticism here. No need to waste time reading fairy tales from a Christ less false prophet. I'm not about to encourage this distracting nonsense by encouraging these men further...why do you choose to condemn me for proclaiming Jesus Christ ? But defend those who exploit the body of Christ with mysticism?
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You condemn

Tom Horn and Chris Putnam and you haven'y even read their book. You can't speak of it's contents by experience, your assumptions that they believe in the prophecies are false but you speak of something you haven't even researched.
Did I condemn you for proclaiming Jesus Christ? No, I did not. Did I elevate Malichi's prophecy to canon, no I did not. Am I the equivalent to the internet's version of the Westboro Baptist Church, no, that's not me!
Read the book or don't, but if you choose don't, than your opinion of it should be kept to yourself, because you can only speak out of ignorance.

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once again the point has flown right over the your head

as Christians, as disciples, as followers of Jesus Christ, we are to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified for our sins.
Second point ....you have no idea what i have or havent read/researched.
3rd...i WILL contend for the faith given once to the saint's !!

Martin Luther said it best when he was questioned before the Diet of Worms. Luther said, "Your Imperial Majesty and Your Lordships demand a simple answer. Here it is, plain and unvarnished. Unless I am convicted [convinced] of error by the testimony of Scripture or (since I put no trust in the unsupported authority of Pope or councils, since it is plain that they have often erred and often contradicted themselves) by manifest reasoning, I stand convicted [convinced] by the Scriptures to which I have appealed, and my conscience is taken captive by God's word, I cannot and will not recant anything, for to act against our conscience is neither safe for us, nor open to us. On this I take my stand. I can do no other. God help me."

"Simul justus et peccator" In Christ alone!!

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Martin Luther

He was also a convicted anti Semite.

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I am curious about what

I am curious about what Thomas Horn would say now. I read his book about the prophecy of St. Malachy. It is not a biblical prophecy, so... It is interesting. Thomas Horn wrote some interesting chapters in that book about Obama and his presidential campaign that might turn your stomach.
Regardless, I am glad that the pope did not chose Peter as his name.

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Hi Maranatha.....

If you go to their website, which is called raidernews.com i think....you will see that they are doing what i would call the "Harold Camping shuffle", and making all kinds of excuses as to why they are still right....even though if you carefully compare what they say in Petrus Romanus to the Pope that was picked you'll see glaring differences!

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I have to check that out to

I have to check that out to see what they are saying. Thank you GG for posting their site.
To add: I do appreciate everyone's views above. I read the Petrus Romanus and found it interesting. Martin if you read the next one, tell us what you think. I might get it too depending on what I read on their site.

Everyone is trying to make money these days --even Joel Rosenberg on his blog pushes his new books ad nauseum. It has made me less inclined to read his blog...all that is there are quotes form his book or quotes from important people who read his book. Sigh.

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they were not wrong it turned

they were not wrong it turned out that the pope did decide to retire back in march of 2012, that is when he told the papacy, it just wasn't made pupblic until feb. 2013

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they are not turning people

they are not turning people away from Jesus but making the truth clear so that hopefully we will more fervently preach the gospel knowing that the time is short.

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I follow Christ all day every

I follow Christ all day every day and have for half a century, honestly open your mind and spirit up they are not distracting from Jesus or the need for salvation. The information that they are revealing is biblical and it helps to understand that we really are living in the last days and we really do need to be preaching salvation, I have not seen one error in their teachings and Chris Putnam only points to information that is factual and does not come to solid conclusions but points to strong possibilities.

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jennifer

Welcome to our forum. I have to say you are missing the point about not to put faith into anything that is not biblical. We can't have fantasy and mysticism mixed in, it pollutes the true gospel message. We must stick to the bible only for truth. How is the mysticism and false prophecies these men represent biblical. Please show me a bible verse where it talks about the last pope or verses that show that what these men say is biblical. I do agree that we are living in the days and we must present the gospel. I don't agree that it is okay to use extra biblical means of doing so 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV God bless

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Vondean you are correct....

Whenever we go outside of the truth that God has revealed to us, it is saying in essence that His truth is not enough.
Speculation is clearly forbidden in the bible, and is extra biblical "knowledge" which is exactly what gnosticism is. Truth comes only from God, and in these last days He has chosen to reveal His truth in His only begotten Son Yeshua. And His Truth for us can only be found in the Holy Bible, which is only revealed to a sinner by His mercy and Grace, and being empowered by His Holy Spirit for us to believe and repent.

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